good question
but what I can tell you that I do not have the right answer
but I going to try
our society is the certain reason or you can say we are the reason because
we are the society
I do not think to keep your self virgin is something that it make you proud of yourself and that mean the person who is not virgin should be shamed and that is not fair
if we could change this way of thinking in our society a lot
of our problem is going to be resolve
the reason because the 100 % of the people do not keep them self virgin because they want but because the society want and they are having hard time
because of that
please do not understand that I am telling every body to have sex my idea is
do what keep you fine happy and keep the society fine

thanks tirejian

Good anwer dear hevy and I appreciate your thought.

It is good to look for your own happiness, as you say, and the way it does not matter, but here is what I have heard from a woman living in US, and sh e wasn't virgin when she get marry,(let us say it is a different society) but she really answerd me honestly, and she felt so sorry, becouse she has got a man who loves her, and she love him so much, she also said,(if I got a day to return back by time, I would save my virginity till this time so I share it and offer it to my hasbund, that I like him)

if you gonna lose your virginity , it should be with a man you like for sure, isn't it?!
but during (14....18) are you sure you gonna spend with him your entire life, I do not think so, coz it is a matte of time,....(That only to explain the idea of stright people).
Also I have got friends in Europ(girls) they are 22,24) but still virgin.

ok it seems to be a good conversation .....so what do you say,is they people in ME has to opey their tradition regarding this matter, and from hidden lines, they would lose their virginity, I agree with you, because our people has suffered and are so thirsty to sex espacialy, but I think in my point view of you is not a matter of (destiny, Tradition, religion ,..or..) it is a matter of hoonest and stright people, because even you gonna find married one in ME are still having unfair with their(hasbund, wife) both side.

because it make them happy, even in different ways, but they are alitle people who are stright.

I think you are open mind hevy so let me ask you this question (by the way your are free to answer or not) would you have unfair relation when you are married, if this action makes you happy
any way nice to hear your opinion dear
please do not miss understand me :|
:wink:

Regards

:) :wink: :)

dear
I understand what you mean
if I am not in love with somebody I do not have to stay with him and have relation with other and that absolutely is not going to make me happy at all
but what i said if having sex is going resolve the problem it is different
by the way in my opinion I prefer to keep my virginity to the person who I love
and I will marry him but because that what I want and I like not because that what my society want
I hope I have more time to talk to you about that it is very important thing
but I have no time
it is very important to have choices and to do what you want not the society or people it is important to respect your society sometime but not always
and we all always do good job when we chose to do it
i hope you understand my idea

thanks and am waiting your opinion

[Ideas and opinions matches in certin point, by keeping your virginity, offering it to the one you love.
I did not understand your point of view about

Actually i do not know which problems or disease you are mentioning, I know that having sex relation is a holy respected relation between two people joyning the heaven life during sex,
(I want you to explain these problems, Please!)

Here

I can say you are talking abuot the invdual privacy, I agree that in our society they do not respect the invdiual private life, (every body is gonna think inspite of you and some times if you are younger you do not have any choice, only offered by the older members in your family)
we are inlack to such private freedom for invedual persons.

any way it is expaning ideas and I gonna respect your choice if you have time to replay or not, it is up to you 8)

u both gone far away so sorry for interruption

Do u talked about virgin man in first two lines !!!??....How weirdo. Huh

What could be there to disvirgin man ??.....

then i would seriously doubt and reconsider my manhood

Please tell me u joking, don't you ??b

Traditions and freedom ;Individual and society
These are the main points in this discussion

I can see that your three reasons are connected together, they complete each other
I think to keep on the own virginity has a big interest in our societies (ME) .l
what is the religion here ?l
people here often are moslems
What do the traditions tell us about this?l
Keep on your virginity
And to be more honest: neglect your emotions till you get married
Now
You have grown here; how do you think will your believes be?
Of course ;like your society's

*
I said that while closing my mind l

But ; with thinking

Sex either is a child of joy in unresponsibility way ,just to spend the moments of lust; and I don't have to speak about this(simply because this is not my reason).
Or is a child of love. So; if I love someone I will marry him by this I will give him all my life.
In my opinion : if I engaged to a person and felt that this one gave me a special things which no one had it before ; this will make me very happy.

But at least it should be a matter of believes not a matter of traditions.
Traditions _ as I see_ spoil our community and our pure selves with lie and living in darkness
If any one want to do something which are forbidden by such traditions ,he will do it, and then you can imagine the results

Cool replay sna,

virginity is Love which we agreed her; is honor in our society, which we understand and respect our tradition(You live in East Act as Eastren)
after marriage is the fairly and honesty relation to loved one

hi dear
I am sorry I am late. but I think it is much better than no answer
you did ask about the problem ?and I will try to answer because it is hard to explain in English
you do not know how much this kind of society bothering me.
(by the way I moved to live in USA just 8 month ago so it is not very long time)
any way as you see their is no education about sex in or school . because sex some thing we have to keep it secrete do not talk about
when you think about what does the word love mean or when you tell your girl friend you miss here all the time you can not live without here is not that include sex ?. when you run to your love and
give her kiss is not that sex?
I think it is
so we do not understand that and it is important to understand , that is not what I say . it is what the science said . and we have to think about
in Aleppo when you walk in the street you see a lot of young people under the try or in the darkness why ? do you think it is not problem
when you see some kids in the street try to follow your sister or me is not problem
what do you think is the reason
when you go to visit any room in the dorm what they usually talk about ?sex
why you do not see any development in our life is not because small thing in our life need to be resolve
as we all can see how USA and other country always have development?
is not that because they have no problem inside them self
I do not mean to be like USA because they went very far but let us try to do not make this thing control our life
and it is always good to try to be in the middle
not to much but not to little

I hope you got the answer and if you do not ?ask . I have no problem to answer

sorry it is to long

emotions -easily -shouldn't be forbidden,cause they need to be appear .
and this is the reason of what we see in Aleppo's dorm and other places

Hi hevy, welcome back(I see girl you are so proud mentioning that you live in USA) Actually you are right, to make people jealouse.

Any way,
I got what you thinking bout, You want to say that the problem is the people in ME are thirsty to sex exactly like a person lives in desert and wants water.

if that what you ment , you are almost right, but theis feeling of thirsty makes people to drink any think looks like water, I mean , in this case you give them a chance to have unfair, and unfortunetly this is what we have go in ME community

As you said holdin the feeling of sex expression(by the way; even the married people some times they hold sex expressions and they become shame to show it out)

by they I do not like the unfair comperasions,, do not compare USA traditions and habits with ME, they are so far, I like USA more than any one else,

but here you are comparing only the sex(which I can consider it as a small piece)

every one should have the right of freedom.

I hope you find your in USA.

it was a fine replay from you, ..so what you got to do in USA hevy.. tell us some thing different you saw.

Nice going sna,

But what you mean by (emotions easily shouldn't be forbidden, thye need to be appear.

I meant
everyone should have the freedom of expressing his emotions (to love or to hate or anything else)l

by that, he will know what is good and what is bad

so
he will not feel shy anymore
and also, he will not love the darkness and the corners any more

[=blue]Hi sna

I want to critisies your replay
First:

I think every one has the power of freedom,and what to do, but the matter is weakness of the personal behaviour, but what you mean by anything else!!!

so What is good? and what is bad sna?!You are saying (from your speech) is : if one person express his emotions so he will know what is good and what is bad?!!!! is a good Idea no any of our prophets come out about this briliant idea, you are the first congratulations sna,

then

Why is (he) why not(she) you hate guys even here girl....

by the way, for your informations, shy is the viriginity sign of the guys?
just keep in mind!
:wink:

here we go

I hope you did not become angrey of me ..

so here is another critisies!

I do not know you, but when I read your replays. I can say that you only understand what you write, I hope you change this habit, so the others can understand what you mean, and mean what you thinking
But here I understan what you type, but some one else maybe can not,

again .. I just want to have conversation with you , it is just for talk. do not be angrey ok..
see you :wink:

o oh
coming back again to criticise

GOD help me

can you act on the way you like without taking into your consideration your society ,traditions and people?not at all
I meant by the freedom of expressing: when we want to do anything nobody should criticise our behaviours if by that we don't hurt anyone
but _unfortunately_here we are bonding
not free
we can't deny this

this subject open many branches
and when I said (anything else) I meant any kind of emotions,behaviours...ok ;let's say it is a matter of personality as you said
don't you agree with me that we are living in somewhere don't believe of individual's freedom?l
for example:if I want to live alone can I do it without any criticism?does your family accept that (for girls)?or even your neighbours?l
don't you feel that you be a strange case
or there is a simplest example
about clothes..I think there is no need to continue speaking about this universal subject because we all know it well
you may say : ok you can do what you mentioned;.this could be correct but not complete, how come that?l
people will not leave you, and you are not alone

so What is good? and what is bad sna?!You are saying (from your speech) is : if one person express his emotions so he will know what is good and what is bad?!!!! is a good Idea no any of our prophets come out about this briliant idea, you are the first congratulations sna,

honestly: I didn't get the meaning of your hidden words but anyway:l

I am free now
so I have a freedom to do whatever I like
I may make a mistake or mistakes ,and I made them by my freedom ;then I noticed they are wrong and got a lesson from them for the next time

I said he just as a kind of shortage , not as you understood it.So ;don't be so happy :wink:
and who told you that I hate guys?l
not at all
I don't hate you
you are our completion
life without you is uncompleted one,and without us is nothing
:wink:

ok
by the way
I don't like this kind of guys

and I noticed that I always give my ideas shortly(I don't like to talk very much)\joking\
hey man
so you are very clever :wink:

aha

now
this is the time of getting angry :evil:
you told me it's just for talking...ha

ok

you did it

it's 1\0

for you

I'll take my revenge soon
:)

I know that went far from our main subject

sorry for that

This is the key to future......
If you think what does people think about you,or your neighbour, you wont go far for independent, and freedom,.. This is the puzzel of Middel East, and espacially our society,which is close to Muslim traditions.

And we can not find the solution untill we find the key,and I think the key is LOST.....(Live in EastrenAct as the Eastren do).

I am free now
so I have a freedom to do whatever I like
I may make a mistake or mistakes ,and I made them by my freedom ;then I noticed they are wrong and got a lesson from them for the next time

Nice to feel you have found your freedom, but it is some how hard and not good to learn from your mistakes only, watch others, and save time , and go for advance,(this is my advice for you).....

As I know in english we use (s/he) as a shorcut, and not (he). here we go
this is what I told you , let the people understand wha you typing dear, I understood what you write.
I do not live inside you to knw what you thinking :wink:

Do not come from the back right?! :wink:

:) I will be watching you

sorry for that

No worries :wink:

it was cool, and fine

!Whoa, What a pointless busy thread

dude, u said somewhere in this thread that a girl should keep her virginity and offer it to her husband as a present

?Well, now could u tell me how it could be a holy gift of marriage
and u must have heard about some vagina surgeries that stitch the "velum" to regain virginity
?What would u do if u getta used present

sorry my speech is a little bit nasty but i guess the topic is not that pure too

and also u said that shy is virginity sign of guys

?Do u mean that my mamma has disvirgined me since i was an embryo

tirejian, dont talk as if u r a spokesman of all other guys
u only have to say ur own opinions, ur own doctrines

for me, i won't have a wife if i hadnt sex with her formerly, and that my opinion for a successful marriage
religion,prophet,traditionists,easternists,holy pages they all must stop fucking pick their noses into people life

sorry again, i'm all gruff and everyone here should be used on me
the mod has all rights to delete this if she thinks its respectless

ok this is what you believe of, and your opinion
and I've said that it should be a matter of believes
not a matter of traditions.

but may I ask you something?l

you said:l

will you marry a woman had sex with somone else?l
will you accept this completely??l
I ment by (completely)that you will not think of this at all after
marriage

regards

Hey sandy head , and icy brain, before you replay, read the thread carefull. after point me out to what I have said as a quote, and do not write inspite of me as you know me I have posted the ideas,
as you write here, if really quiet right quote it. and show me that you says(somewhere)

Fuck off please from my thread if you do not understand,
do not mess it here kid!!!!

sorry for bad letters English garden members!

We all dont know each others in real world

So maybe u won't believe that on top of my long list girlfriends

I feel myself more attracted to a divorced one

I took on you that u deleted the hottiest part in my speech
:wink:

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dont mess it here kid

pfffftt

MUHAHAHHHHAAAAAA

FLAME AND OIL

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